Using Multiple Flashes

Wired Flash

There are several ways to use multiple flashes connected by wire.

You can use a dedicated flash on the camera. The flash unit must have a flash cable socket. You can then connect a cable CD/FA-MC1AM to this flash and plug the other end into another flash unit with a flash cable socket. If the second flash doesn't have that socket, you can use a OS-1100/FA-CS1AM with that flash.

With such a flash system, both flashes fire and are controlled by the body. You can set a ratio between the two flashes.

Another possible setup is to connect the cable OC-1100/FA-CC1AM to the camera and plug the other end into a Triple Connector TC-1000/FA-TC1AM. This is a small box that distributes the signal to three flashes. You can then connect flashes to the TC-1000/FA-TC1AM using the cable EX/FA-EC1AM. The flashes must have either a built-in socket for the cable or you have to use a OS-1100/FA-CS1AM. Again, all flashes fire, controlled by the body. You can set a ratio between the flashes.

In theory you can also daisy-chain flashes by using OS-1100's on flashes that also have a built-in socket. You use a OC-1100/FA-CC1AM to connect the camera with the OS-1100/FA-CS1AM of the first flash, and then you use cables CD/FA-MC1AM to connect the flash with its socket with the OS-1100/FA-CS1AM of the next flash, and so on. However, I'm not sure if such a setup works. I'd like to hear from people who have tried that.

Wireless Flash

Minolta's wireless flash system also allows to use multiple flashes. You can use an unlimited number of remote flashes in wireless mode. They will all fire when triggered by the built-in flash, by the Wireless Flash Controller or by a suitable flash mounted on the camera (not all flash units can act as a wireless flash controller, see table, and digital cameras can not use an external flash as a controller at all).

By default the controlling flash contributes little to no light to the exposure. However, you can use ratio flash with some bodies. In this mode the controlling flash contributes 1/3 of the light, and all remote flashes together contribute 2/3 of the light.

When using the Wireless Flash Controller and multiple remote flashes, you can also set a 1:2 ratio between two remote flash groups. The flash group providing the 1/3 must consist of flashes 5400xi, 5400HS or 5600HS(D).

Sony has updated the system with the HVL-F58AM. It can be used as a controller on the α700 and α900 to control remote HVL-F58AM and HVL-F42AM units. These flashes can be assigned to three groups (HVL-F42AM are always in the first remote group), and you can set a ratio between these groups and the controller, e. g. 1:4:16 for groups 1, 2 and 3 respectively. There is also a backward-compatible controller mode. With that you can control also older units from a α900, with up to 2 groups and ratio control.

Using wireless flash is more flexible than the wire system. You can place the remote flashes almost anywhere without having to worry about cable length etc. You are, however, limited to a shutter speed of 1/60 or 1/45 with older cameras and flashes.

The camera body can emit a test flash that triggers another test flash from the remote flashes after some delay. This way you can test the connection between the controller and the remote flashes. The remote flashes must be able to “see” the control pulses of the controller either directly or indirectly.


Readers' comments

There are 7 comment(s):
#1: Comment posted by Arni on December 31, 2008 - 11:05:51 PM:
If one uses a F85AM flash onboard on a A900 as a controller, does that count a a "group"? In other words, does the F85AM merely function as an "onboard-like-flash-controller", flashing at its lowest power. Or is it possible to use the F85AM as a group on its own, meaning it can flash at "full power" (mounted on the camera) AND triggering other flashes?
Have been looking for an answer, but never found one :-)
Michael Hohner answers:
In CTRL mode 1 the HVL-F58AM on the camera represents group 1, and remote flashes are either in group 2 or group 3. You can set the flash ratio between the three groups.
#2: Comment posted by Rene on December 05, 2009 - 09:35:19 AM:
I have an A700, which uses CTRL1 only correct? I have one HVL-F58AM which together with the A700 would work as the controller and group 1 (to bounce it off of the wall or ceiling). I have two HVL-F42AM flashes. Can I use them in group 2 and group 3 respectively and set the ratios between the three "speedlights"? According to your previous answer I can, but what about the (HVL-F42AM are always in the first remote group) note? Does that apply, meaning I can't put any HVL-F42AMs in grps two and three?

thx for your great site! I learned more on here in 5 minutes than in the flash manual in 3 hours:)
-Rene
Michael Hohner answers:
A HVL-F42AM is always in the first remote group (RMT) in such a setup, i.e. you can have only two groups, the controller on the camera and the remote HVL-F42AMs. For a third group (second remote group) you'd have to use another HVL-F58AM.
#3: Comment posted by Rizal on January 21, 2010 - 03:32:17 PM:
hai,im using a350 dslr n 5600hs external flash,i try using d wireless function it wont work,when i pop up d flash and press d ael button d flash fired.when i press d shutter it cant fired,

Try to make as a controller,5600hs fix to d hot shoe using a 3500xi as a wireless,same problem...
Michael Hohner answers:
Is this really the 5600HS(D) and not the 5400HS? The latter is not compatible with DSLRs.

The 5600HS(D) also can not be used as a controller on the camera. The built-in flash must be the controller. Both the camera and the flash must be set to wireless flash. Also note that the camera may decide not to fire the flash when in AUTO mode. Use P, A, S or M mode and pop up the flash manually.

#4: Comment posted by realgeek on February 08, 2010 - 06:43:04 PM:
I think I understand how the wireless groups work, but I have three questions.

First, is it true that in any given group you can have any number of flashes set to go off simultaneously? (I think the answer to this is yes.)

Second, can you mix and match different models? E.g., in the old wireless protocol (with a sub-A700 model, for example), can you set an HVL-F56AM, an HVL-F42AM, and an HVL-F58AM to wireless and have them all fire simultaneously?

Third, can you do this mixing and matching on an A850/A900 using the old protocol? (I understand that you have to use the HVL-F58AM as the control, and that the new protocol is pretty restricted, but can you set off different model flashes using the old protocol?)

Thanks!
Michael Hohner answers:
The answer to all three questions is “yes”. The older protocol is selected as CTRL2 on the HVL-F58AM (or by using the HVL-F20AM as the controller). Also see the table on the other page.
#5: Comment posted by Matt Fisher on May 28, 2010 - 11:01:21 PM:
"In theory you can also daisy-chain flashes by using OS-1100's on flashes that also have a built-in socket. You use a OC-1100/FA-CC1AM to connect the camera with the OS-1100/FA-CS1AM of the first flash, and then you use cables CD/FA-MC1AM to connect the flash with its socket with the OS-1100/FA-CS1AM of the next flash, and so on. However, I'm not sure if such a setup works. I'd like to hear from people who have tried that."

I'd like to try this - has anyone confirmed it will work? I have an A850, a Minolta 5600, and a Sony 42. The 5600 has the cable socket, but the 42 has only its shoe. I was hoping to connect my camera to the 5600 via a FA-CC1AM (which I have and which works fine) and then connect the 5600 to the 42 shoe to shoe (with what? two Sony FA-CS1AMs and a FA-EC1AM?)

Any people who've tried this?
#6: Comment posted by K Tjoelker on May 31, 2010 - 08:15:50 PM:
Congratulations for maintaining these pages. As you write, it is difficult to find information about the flash capabilities of the Sony Alpha cameras. I have some complementary questions.
1. You write about A700 and A900. How about the more recent Sony A models?
2. How about using dedicated Metz flashes? Do they offer the same possibilities? E.g. Metz 48 AF-1 digital.
3. How about Sony's own HVL-F36AM?
Thank you for answering.
Regards, K Tjoelker
Michael Hohner answers:
You can find more info about other Sony cameras and flashes on the other pages of the Flash Compendium, e. g. here. Regarding Metz I recommend going to their homepage to find out about their supported features.
#7: Comment posted by Matt Fisher on June 24, 2010 - 04:39:05 PM:
Regarding my question #5, above: I tried a variant of this and it works perfectly. Here's a link to a demo I made to illustrate. I used ethernet cable and a couple of hotshoe adaptors.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11593221@N04/sets/72157624218518105/

(Sorry, I can never remember how to hotlink here.)

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