Flash Setups

Built-in Flash

All modern Minolta AF cameras have a built-in flash. It has the following characteristics:
  • Its guide number is low, typically 12 meters. This is sufficient for fill flash and short distances.
  • It always supports TTL-OTF metering (except for digital cameras).
  • It does not support HSS or pre-flash metering (with film cameras).
  • It does support ADI when the body supports it.
  • It's used as an AF assist light when the camera doesn't have a dedicated AF illuminator.
  • It's used as a controller for wireless flash when the body supports it.

Dedicated Flash

A dedicated flash is mounted on the camera or attached to the camera by cables. The first series of Minolta AF cameras had the ISO flash shoe. All others have the new iISO shoe. You can mount old Minolta AF flashes on new cameras and vice versa using adapters.

Dedicated flashes typically have a higher guide number than built-in flashes, they carry extra batteries, have zooming reflectors and AF illuminators, can tilt and swivel and support additional flash metering modes like pre-flash metering and ADI. See the Flash table to see which Minolta/Sony flash supports which feature.

Wired Flash

Minolta uses a wiring system with 4-wire cables. With this system you can build a TTL-capable wired remote flash system. Most flash functions are still available when using wired flash. The camera can shoot at shutter speeds up to the x-sync speed. Flash modes like ADI are not supported when the flash is off-camera.

The cabling system also allows to attach more than one flash to the camera, and all work in TTL mode.

With modern cameras you use the cable OC-1100/FA-CC1AM to attach the flash to the camera. The OS-1100/FA-CS1AM has an iISO flash foot at one end, the Minolta flash plug at the other end and a coiled 4-wire cable in between. This cable can be extended with the cable EX/FA-EC1AM, which consists of a flash plug, a flash socket and 1 meter of coiled cable. You can use several cables EX/FA-EC1AM to get a really long cable.

The OC-1100/FA-CC1AM cable plugs into a socket at the side of several flash units. Other flash units do not have this socket. For these, you need the OS-1100/FA-CS1AM flash shoe. You mount the flash on the OS-1100/FA-CS1AM like you would mount it on the camera. The OS-1100/FA-CS1AM provides the flash plug socket, a plastic ISO foot (without contacts) and 1/4" threads. The OS-1100/FA-CS1AM is also useful when you like to mount the flash on a bracket or tripod.

See the Flash Table to see which Minolta/Sony flash unit has a built-in socket.

Wireless Flash

Some camera bodies and some flashes support using the flash off-camera without cables. The flash is triggered by the camera body wirelessly. Most bodies use the built-in flash to control the remote flash, or a suitable dedicatated flash mounted on the camera. There is also a separate Wireless Flash Controller. It was primarily intended for the Dynax/Maxxum 9xi which was capable of wireless flash but did not have a built-in flash. The Wireless Flash Controller also works on many later bodies. However, it's discontinued, and some of the latest bodies no longer support it.

With this system, the built-in flash not only triggers the remote flash, but also can stop it. Minolta's wireless flash system therefore is capable of TTL flash metering. The remote flash is not triggered by a simple light pulse like slave flashes. Instead, the body uses a series of coded pulses to control the remote flash. These coded pulses are emitted by the built-in flash. They are weak in intensity, but depending on the lighting situation they may be visible in the picture. To avoid this the Wireless Flash Controller can be used (if supported by the body).

With wireless flash you can also trigger multiple remote flashes. All are started and stopped by the body, so the system still works in TTL mode.

Minolta's wireless flash system uses four channels, and a flash unit can listen on one of the four channels. The camera controls one channel, and all flashes assigned to that one channel are triggered. The body learns the channel by having the flash mounted on the body when switching to wireless flash. This allows to have more than one set of flashes in the same area, each controlled by a different camera. Some flashes support only two of the four channels.

There are three generations of the wireless flash protocol. The characteristics are:

Generation 1: Analog wireless flash

  • shutter speed limited to 1/60 or 1/45 (depending on camera)
  • allows to balance the built-in flash and the remote flash with a 1:2 ratio, ie. the built-in flash contributes 1/3 of the light and the remote flash contributes 2/3 of the light
  • supported by many film cameras, flashes and by Wireless Flash Controller

Generation 2: Wireless HSS and digital

  • camera can use shutter speeds between 1/60 and x-sync
  • camera can use shutter speeds shorter than x-sync (Wireless HSS)
  • supported by DSLRs
  • supported by some film cameras (used when shutter speed is shorter than 1/60)
  • requires Minolta D flash or Sony flash
  • no ratio flash with digital
  • not supported by Wireless Flash Controller

Generation 3: Digital ratio flash

  • ratio flash with DSLRs
  • supported by Sony α700, α850 and α900
  • requires Sony HVL-F58AM as controller on camera
  • up to 3 flash groups when using only HVL-F42AM and HVL-F58AM as remote flashes
  • up to 2 flash groups when using mix of Minolta D flashes and Sony flashes as remote flashes

The following table gives an overview of different wireless setups and the devices involved:

SetupCamera (Minolta Dynax or Sony Alpha)ControllerRemote FlashNotes
Analog Wireless Flash many (see Camera Table) built-in flash
5400xi
5400HS
5600HS(D)
HVL-F56AM
3500xi
3600HS(D)
5400xi
5400HS
5600HS(D)
HVL-F36AM
HVL-F56AM
ratio flash possible, up to 2 groups
9
9ti
9xi
800si
7 (all variants)
700si
600si
505si Super
505si
500si Super
500si
404si
303si
300si
300si
Minolta Wireless Flash Controller 3500xi
3600HS(D)
5400xi
5400HS
5600HS(D)
HVL-F36AM
HVL-F56AM
ratio flash possible, up to 2 groups
7 (all variants)
60
5
built-in flash
5600HS(D)
HVL-F56AM
3600HS(D)
5600HS(D)
HVL-F36AM
HVL-F56AM
HVL-F42AM
HVL-F58AM
only with shutter speeds shorter than 1/60
Digital Wireless Flash 7D
5D
α100–α700
built-in flash 3600HS(D)
5600HS(D)
HVL-F36AM
HVL-F56AM
HVL-F42AM
HVL-F58AM
 
α850
α900
HVL-F58AM in mode CTRL1 HVL-F42AM
HVL-F58AM
 
HVL-F58AM in mode CTRL2
HVL-F20AM
3600HS(D)
5600HS(D)
HVL-F36AM
HVL-F56AM
HVL-F42AM
HVL-F58AM
 
Digital Wireless Flash with ratio control α700
α850
α900
HVL-F58AM in mode CTRL1 HVL-F42AM
HVL-F58AM
up to 3 flash groups
α850
α900
HVL-F58AM in mode CTRL2 3600HS(D)
5600HS(D)
HVL-F36AM
HVL-F56AM
HVL-F42AM
HVL-F58AM
up to 2 flash groups

Readers' comments

There are 7 comment(s):
#1: Comment posted by Jacques Smit on September 14, 2009 - 08:09:39 AM:
Hi there this is Jacques here from South Africa again. Ive got mos also the A700. I need some advise. Ive got the Sony 58... flash(best one in the range) and also 3 older minolta flashes. The minolta flashes is not digital. What will be my best possible way to be able to connect all 4 flashes with triggers. I dont have studio light and I was thinking of getting me the lighting stands and the umbrellas and the bounce the flash against the umbrella or through them as a soft box. It makes the sistem mobile. The only thing I need is how to trigger all the flashes? You can publish this on your blog but can you also directly email me. Thanks Michael
Michael Hohner answers:
Obviously you can't use the native wireless trigger system, because it would trigger the 58, but not the other flashes (assuming “older” means “pre-digital”). You could connect all flashes with cables and triple connectors (see table of connectors) to the camera, and the pre-digital flashes will fire at least in manual mode. But this would not be a wireless system, and with at least four cables and one TC (and maybe several off-camera shoes) it would also be not that cheap. As for non-nativ trigger systems, you'd have to buy several adapters for the triggers (if they work at all), and then you'd have a not-so-cheap manual flash system. In that case it may make more sense to sell the older flashes, buy real studio flashes and connect them to the PC connector of the camera.
#2: Comment posted by thunderclouds on December 02, 2009 - 03:13:16 AM:
I have the A700 with two F58 flashes. In attempting to set up the wireless ratio control, I find the manual is useless.

I have set the on camera and off camera flashes to CTRL+. Wireless ratio control is set to ON on the controller. Do I set the flashes to TTL or manual mode? Also, when I set the ratio control on, there is a flash ratio control on the middle line of the F58 display. How does this ratio affect the ratios on the bottom line?

I would appreciate your help. Thank you.
Michael Hohner answers:
I don't own this flash, so I'm working from the manual. As I read it the on-camera flash must be set to CTRL+, and the off-camera flash to RMT. If you set the flashes to manual mode, they will fire at the set power level. Combining that with ratio control is pointless. So use TTL mode, and set the ratio on the controller.
#3: Comment posted by Ben on January 11, 2010 - 02:36:20 AM:
I am trying the off-camera flash with the f58. Is there a way to use the f58 with the F42 with both flashes off camera? Can this be done without having the camera flash (built-in) not fire? I want the camera to fire both the F58 and the F42 at the same time, but don't want the camera's built in to fire... Been searching the net, but no info on this setup..
Michael Hohner answers:
The built-in flash is the controller in such a setup, so it will always fire to control the remote flashes. But since it only sends out control pulses, the intensity is very low. See the section “Wireless Flash” above.
#4: Comment posted by Petronix on January 30, 2010 - 03:48:39 PM:
The table is a good help!
My A700 with the HVL-F58AM on as controller didn't work with the 3600HS(D)as remote flash. :-(
Thanks for all this informtion!
Kind regards.
#5: Comment posted by Brent Harpur on August 19, 2010 - 04:04:39 AM:
My question is in regards to using both the HVL-F56AM Sony flash and the newer F58AM flash together shooting wirelessly (not a real word, according to my spell check.) I have noticed in quite a few trials, that even when I ensure that both flashes are equidistant from the camera, the 58 flashes and the 56 does not. Am I supposed to ensure that the red lens on the front of the camera is supposed to be pointing at the body in order to activate? I haven't seen anything in the manual that indicates that, and it doesn't seem to make a difference on the 58. Any ideas?
Michael Hohner answers:
The sensors on the flash are under that red transparent cover, but they pick up light from a wide angle. The often catch the signals from the camera via reflections at surrounding objects. Maybe the sensor of the 56 is just less sensitive than that of the 58.
#6: Comment posted by Richard on August 22, 2010 - 12:31:41 AM:
My F56 flash has died and need replacing, but I want something compatible with Dynax 9 film body. Can I use F58? I believe the answer is yes if body mounted, or wired (which shoe/cable?) but less clear if wireless. Can the pop-up flash on the Dynax 9 body activate the F58? (Dynax body has HSS/ADI upgrade too, if that makes any difference).
Michael Hohner answers:
The 9 can not trigger the HVL-F58AM wirelessly. In the table above you can see that there is no line with the 9 in the “Camera” column and the HVL-F58AM in the “Remote Flash” column. The HSS upgrade does not help here, because it does not add Wireless HSS, which would be required.
#7: Comment posted by Muik on August 31, 2010 - 10:08:48 AM:
I think I know the answer to this question but I need to make sure. Can I use the HVL-F58 (or the Metz 58) as a controller on a Alpha 200/300/350? Is there any possible option to do something like that?
Michael Hohner answers:
It's not possible to use the HVL-F58AM as a controller on a A200/300/350. The camera's built-in flash has to be used as a controller.

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